{"id":9983,"date":"2024-03-23T10:15:53","date_gmt":"2024-03-23T09:15:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/?p=9983"},"modified":"2025-10-17T11:27:06","modified_gmt":"2025-10-17T09:27:06","slug":"atcct-dialectical-trap","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/atcct-dialectical-trap\/","title":{"rendered":"ATC Dialectical trap"},"content":{"rendered":"<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 7.28%;\">\n<h2><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">atc\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 92.72%; text-align: center;\">\n<h2><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">Mencius in the <em>Mencius<\/em>: a\u00a0virtuoso dialectician<\/span><\/h2>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Mencius<sub>Eno<\/sub><\/p>\n<p><strong>1B.6 Mencius addressed King Xuan of Qi. \u201cSuppose a subject of Your Majesty entrusted his wife and children to a friend and traveled south to Chu, and when he returned, his friend had left his wife and child to suffer in cold and hunger. What should this man do?\u201d<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>The King said, \u201cDiscard him as a friend.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cAnd what if the Master of the Guard could not keep order among his men, what then?\u201d<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u201cDismiss him.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cAnd what if there were disorder within the borders of the state, what then?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>The King turned to his other courtiers and changed the subject.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Mencius<sub>Eno<\/sub><\/p>\n<p><strong>1B.8 King Xuan of Qi asked, \u201cIs it so that Tang banished Jie and that King Wu killed Zho\u0300u?\u201dMencius replied, \u201cIt is so recorded in the histories.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cIs it permissible, then, for a subject to kill his ruling lord?\u201d<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Mencius said, \u201cA man who plunders humanity is called a thief; a man who plunders righteousness is called an outcast. I have heard of the execution of Outcast Zho\u0300u; I have not heard of the execution of a ruling lord Zho\u0300u.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n[CH Pi\u00e8ge dialectique]\n<p>Un dialogue question \/ r\u00e9ponses<\/p>\n<p>Une suite de questions du m\u00eame type, dont la r\u00e9ponse est du m\u00eame type et fait l&rsquo;objet d&rsquo;un consensus et devient \u00e9vidente.<\/p>\n<p>La derni\u00e8re de ces questions est toujours du m\u00eame type, mais par les engagements qu&rsquo;il a contract\u00e9s par ses r\u00e9ponses pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes, doit y apporter une r\u00e9ponse qui met gravement en cause ses int\u00e9r\u00eats. \u201cc&rsquo;est vous qui l&rsquo;avez dit!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;interlocuteurs de Mencius, dans les deux cas, est le roi Xuan de Qi. Il est questionneur dans 1B6 et r\u00e9pondant dans 1B8<\/p>\n<p>Magnifique r\u00e9ponse confuc\u00e9\u00e9nne de Mencius<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>atc\u00a0 Mencius in the Mencius: a\u00a0virtuoso dialectician MenciusEno 1B.6 Mencius addressed King Xuan of Qi. \u201cSuppose a subject of Your Majesty entrusted his wife and children to a friend and traveled south to Chu, and when he returned, his friend had left his wife and child to suffer in cold and hunger. What should this [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9983","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atc"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9983","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9983"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9983\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14997,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9983\/revisions\/14997"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9983"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9983"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icar.cnrs.fr\/dicoplantin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9983"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}